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Host Dave Robertson is joined first by New York Times journalist Rob Walker, who discusses his piece for the magazine called "Makeover Mania: Inside the 21st-Century Craze for Redesigning Everything." From updating the wine glass to re-imagining a brand's logo, they talk about the failures, successes, and processes of questioning the status quo.

In the second half of the show Dave welcomes Jules Ehrhardt, Co-Owner at UsTwo, a digital product studio, who talks about how the process of designing products for clients has evolved.